Stevie: And Wikipedia never lies!
Haus: According to Her Royal Highness, Saint Wikipedia, 'The Gay Agenda' is the "advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalisation of non-heterosexual orientations and relationships".
Rylan: In a very broad sense, I'd say that's very accurate. "Normalisation" is the key word there.
Stevie: One of our taglines is that 'The Gay Agenda' is that we want to be as boring as the rest of the world.
Rylan: We buy milk just like you. We sit on chairs just like you. We want to be as boring as everyone else. We want to get to the point where doing a radio show aimed specifically at the Gay Community is redundant.
Stevie: But until then we have The Gay Agenda.
Stevie: Well that's obviously what happened to me. I came from a very strong Catholic background and I wasn't gay until I met gay people... They indoctrinated me into gayism.
Haus: Well my father's a priest, so it was EXACTLY the same for me.
Rylan: They shout their viewpoint very loudly from a place of complete ignorance about the Gay Community. They don't want their ideas on their way life to be challenged, which brings about an 'us and them' mentality. It's tribal and very primitive and sometimes I find it more funny than scary, because they just don't know what they're talking about. If they actually had a conversation with someone who's gay, or lesbian, or bisexual, transgender, pansexual or outside the gender binary they'll realise we're not on this massive crusade for special treatment. We just want to be treated like everyone else, but they see what we want as privilege as opposed to what they have already. It's almost like they see there being only a small pool of 'Rights' and there's only a certain number of people who can get in. They seem to think that if gay people want to get in, they'd have to get out of the Pool of Rights, even though really it's not a pool, it's a vast ocean. Everyone can get in and swim around in the vast Waters of Equality.
Stevie: And nobody's going to die if that happens.
Rylan: We're not recruiting your kids. Quite frankly, I hate kids and I want to kick a lot of them. And we're not generally predatory either, nor are we paedophiles.
Stevie: I'm a big believer in religious freedoms, but if we didn't have religion there would still be arseholes out there. If religion didn't exist, they'd still find another reason to be arseholes. Religion isn't really the problem, because it's basis is generally sound.
Rylan: The teachings of Jesus are actually quite nice. But often people refer back to the teachings of The Old Testament, ignoring the fact that it also says not to eat shellfish, or mix fibres.
Stevie: Or that you could rape your wife.
Haus: Or stone your daughter to death.
Rylan: But that's all ignored in favour of one tiny clause about homosexuality.
Haus: The problem with any religious text is that you can find pretty much any quote to back up any argument from any direction. Anybody who wants to justify anything can do so by quoting from their Holy Text.
Stevie: They should do 'The Bible, Part 2' and fully update it.
Haus: I think that was called The New Testament.
Stevie: Or 'The Bible, Part3'.
Haus: Well The New Testament was written about 2000 years ago and The Old Testament about 2000 years before that. It's probably about time we had a new Testament. 'The Newer Testament'. Or 'The Newest Testament'.
Stevie: We could do it! 'The Newer Testament' according to The Gay Agenda.
Rylan: As we said earlier, we're just fighting for the same rights as everyone else. They just don't seem to understand that everyone can be equal.
Stevie: Equality isn't a privilege.
Rylan: Ricky Gervais put it quite succinctly, "marriage equality isn't a privilege; tax avoidance is a privilege, just like the Church has".
Haus: Point five: "overturning laws prohibiting paedophilia".
Rylan: Just no. In a lot of languages, the word for 'homosexual' and the word for 'paedophilia' were the same word, which I guess has caused a lot of confusion in the past. But that's what we should be moving away from. People need to understand that homosexuality does not mean an intrinsic habit of preying on young men. I want men my own age!
Haus: Point six: "indoctrinating children and future generations through public education".
Rylan: The choice of the word "indoctrination" is interesting, because that's what faiths do!
Stevie: It just seems they have one rule for one person and one rule for another. Saying that we indoctrinate people is more than just a bit hypocritical. But do they think that if we create all this 'gay propaganda' that people will just wake up gay? I didn't just wake up this morning and decide that I want to be gay today.
Haus: I do that every day!
Stevie: Wake up in the morning and look in your wardrobe and think "Straight or gay? Which clothes shall I wear today?"
Haus: Gay every time.
Stevie: How could I have been indoctrinated by gays when I grew up being completely indoctrinated by the Catholic Church? I didn't even realise until I was 19 that I fancy men, but until then it didn't even occur to me that I could have been attracted to men. I was taught to be straight and I didn't even know I could be anything else.
Rylan: Everyone in a faith indoctrinates their children by making them practice it too.
Stevie: I was an altarboy!
Rylan: Two or more people? I don't really want to marry more than one person.
Stevie: I'm a leftie liberal and I think people should be allowed to do what's within the law, with given consent. Give people the chance to make their own decisions and support them if those decisions go wrong. That's what society is.
Rylan: The ability of the Church of England to opt out of same-sex marriage is interesting though.
Stevie: I don't really see why anybody gay would want a wedding in a church.
Haus: Well there are a lot of gay Christian groups.
Rylan: If people want to be able to get married in a church, they should be able to. I wouldn't personally, because I want a mini festival and a hogroast...
Stevie: And a ferris wheel!
Rylan: And a bouncy castle! And in the middle of all this I want to just pause for five minutes and say my vows and then the whole ceremony will just be a celebration of togetherness, friendship and love.
Stevie: Marriage is a secular contract though, while a religious marriage is just an optional extra.
Haus: There is part of me that wants the law to change to make vicars *have* to take gay weddings, just so I can force my father to do mine. It would be hilarious.
Stevie: That would be the most awkward wedding ever.
Rylan: And there'd be that awkward conversation beforehand; "Father? Will you marry me?"
Stevie: What the fuck are pleated pants?
Haus: Is there anything else you'd like to add to his agenda?
Stevie: That's a pretty succinct list.
Rylan: On our show we try and champion the stories that you might not hear otherwise and I think that's what would be on our agenda; making sure that the minority voices get heard.
Haus: So how did The Gay Agenda radio show come about?
Rylan: Fab Radio International wanted to have a very eclectic range of shows and they asked me if I fancied doing something for them. I said "Hell yes!" and so The Gay Agenda was born. It was a working title initially but we liked it so much we kept it. We air every Thursday night and originally we had a later slot because we thought some people might be offended by what we discuss sometimes.
Haus: What sort of things?
Stevie: It's no-holes-barred.
Rylan: There can be swearing and it can be a bit rude sometimes. We encourage people to be open in their discussions and not shy away from anything. And then we were moved to an earlier slot, 9-11 in the evening.
Haus: Does this mean that anyone has had to censor themselves?
Stevie: If we were supposed to, we haven't done it.
Rylan: There's always us and a rotating third in the studio and often people ask "Can we swear..?" You can say whatever the fuck you want! It's very liberating to be able to broadcast some very sensitive subjects sometimes in a very human way.
Stevie: Swearing is a sign of intelligence apparently.
Rylan: Fuck yeah!